Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 36, No. 250.
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[1] From: maurizio lana <maurizio.lana@uniupo.it>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.248: why Humanist, with an edge (44)
[2] From: Enrica Salvatori <enrica.salvatori@unipi.it>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.248: why Humanist, with an edge (154)
[3] From: Alan Liu <ayliu@english.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.247: why Humanist: sustainability (97)
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Date: 2022-11-09 12:53:54+00:00
From: maurizio lana <maurizio.lana@uniupo.it>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.248: why Humanist, with an edge
hi Willard,
i understand the spirit of your "brilliant practitioners not knowing
what they're doing but all the time finding out, inventing,
experimenting AND DISCUSSING is, I think, exactly what we need".
but we face every day what i would call "fake DH" where brilliant people
think that DH is a trendy logo which anyone can use without a relation
with what is inside the box. high risk that "fake DH" deter people (from
street to academia) from recognizing the status of (new) true science to
the DH.
Maurizio
Il 09/11/22 08:28, Humanist ha scritto:
> My analogy clearly has problems, but the point I wish to make is that
> brilliant practitioners not knowing what they're doing but all the time
> finding out, inventing, experimenting AND DISCUSSING is, I think, exactly
> what we need.
>
> We need much less, especially now that DH is trendy, of the firm walls
> and inspection at the door, and frequent inspection within the
> clubhouse for belonging, ejecting those found insufficiently
> conformant. We need the anomalous--and, fortunately, have a bit of a
> leash so that we can run about and find it and find out if it's worth
> worrying. And bark a lot.
>
> Humanist is all about that, in my book, about the barking.
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everybody knows that the war is over
everybody knows that the good guys lost
everybody knows the fight was fixed
the poor stay poor, the rich get rich
l. cohen, everybody knows (1988)
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Maurizio Lana
Università del Piemonte Orientale
Dipartimento di Studi Umanistici
Piazza Roma 36 - 13100 Vercelli
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Date: 2022-11-09 09:20:44+00:00
From: Enrica Salvatori <enrica.salvatori@unipi.it>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.248: why Humanist, with an edge
Hi Willard
(sorry for the previous William due to an excessive weight of the probabilistic
calculus in the automatic corrector, product of the DH :-) I presume)
I would say that we are completely on the same line, but it is not the line I
see going, at least here in Italy. I know, I should have a more global look but
I should also have no family, dog, teaching, hobbies … I see what I can see…
maybe if someone in this list has a different “look” I could learn
Speaking plainly, what perhaps still saves the DH is not being, as you say,
completely a guild. This means that the" common purpose“ or the "common
interests" still has uncertain boundaries. How long this situation will last… I
don't know.
The walls that are being built are hight jet and clear to everyone. Not all
walls come to harm, of course. When it is possible to open a course or a degree
course, give contracts, receive funding, create defined professional figures,
this means that the “discipline” grows on concreteness. BUT this means also
that the child metaphor does not hold any more, IMHO.
Are we in problematic adolescence or young adulthood?
However, we are in a phase where some choices have been made and the mental
willingness to change and think about the fundamentals by questioning them
becomes extremely more difficult.
Is it still possible? Obviously yes, just why the “common interests” is not
clear and we can still discuss on the “common purpose”.
One purpose, for example, is not to lose sight of the profound
interdisciplinarity of DH and their incredible disruptive force in reversing the
old taxonomy of the Humanities and returning attention to a more systemic
dimension.
Another purpose is to think of DH in terms of social utility and a constant push
towards openness (my lighthouse is the 2020 Paris Manifesto)
But these are intentions that force the scholar to constantly leave his/her
comfort zone. This makes transforming into a guild much easier. And profitable.
Thanks for answering me.
Enrica Salvatori
Medieval History
Digital Public History
University of Pisa
> Il giorno 9 nov 2022, alle ore 08:29, Humanist <humanist@dhhumanist.org> ha
scritto:
>
>
> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 36, No. 248.
> Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne
> Hosted by DH-Cologne
> www.dhhumanist.org
> Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org
>
>
>
>
> Date: 2022-11-09 07:17:51+00:00
> From: Willard McCarty <willard.mccarty@mccarty.org.uk>
> Subject: disciplinisation, or guildification
>
> Forgive the clumsy coinages; perhaps someone can come up with better.
>
> This is in response to Enrica Salvatori's response to my 'why Humanist'
> posting. She wrote with kindness but ended with an edge, gently wielded:
>
> On 07/11/2022 08:32, Humanist wrote:
>>
>> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 36, No. 243.
>> Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne
>> Hosted by DH-Cologne
>> www.dhhumanist.org
>> Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org
> [...]
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>> Date: 2022-11-06 21:10:33+00:00
>> From: Enrica Salvatori <enrica.salvatori@unipi.it>
>> Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.238: why Humanist?
>>
>> Dear William,
>>
>> your exhortation is so beautiful. Thank you.
>> I have the impression that the Digital Humanities have now made the first and
>> second (the third?) halfway point, they have “grew up" for better or for
> worse.
>> This mean they are full into a process of disciplinary closure that "in
> itself"
>> inhibits debates like the ones you want.
>>
>> Am I wrong?
>>
>>
>> Enrica Salvatori
>>
>> Medieval History
>> Digital Public History
>> University of Pisa
>
> It's that 'closure' to which, at the risk of a musky twitterstorm, I want to
> reply. In mediaeval terms she would understand better than I (if the late
> Middle Ages is her area of study) the OED tells us that a 'guild' is
> (mutatis mutandis, natürlich)
>
>> A confraternity, brotherhood, or association formed for the mutual
>> aid and protection of its members, or for the prosecution of some
>> common purpose.
>
> and that from the first guilds came
>
>> The trade guilds, which in England come into prominence in the 14th
>> cent., were associations of persons exercising the same craft, formed
>> for the purpose of protecting and promoting their common interests.
>
> Nothing wrong there. But it seems to me there's a fundamental difference
> between a trade guild and a nascent, incunabular and quite experimental
> discipline such as digital humanities: members of a trade guild shared a
> very clearly defined craft and ready purpose, whereas a discipline
> taking its baby-steps is in the early (YES, early) stages of
> development. I am not saying that there's anything wrong with the
> latter, indeed that is its intellectual strength. Behold the brilliance
> of a very young child, discovering the world, or rather making it,
> putting the pieces together now this way, now that, and finding out what
> works, physically and, more and more as time goes on, in the terms of
> the culture in which that baby is groping to become a member, a person
> in its terms.
>
> My analogy clearly has problems, but the point I wish to make is that
> brilliant practitioners not knowing what they're doing but all the time
> finding out, inventing, experimenting AND DISCUSSING is, I think, exactly
> what we need.
>
> We need much less, especially now that DH is trendy, of the firm walls
> and inspection at the door, and frequent inspection within the
> clubhouse for belonging, ejecting those found insufficiently
> conformant. We need the anomalous--and, fortunately, have a bit of a
> leash so that we can run about and find it and find out if it's worth
> worrying. And bark a lot.
>
> Humanist is all about that, in my book, about the barking.
>
> Yours,
> WM
>
> --
> Willard McCarty,
> Professor emeritus, King's College London;
> Editor, Interdisciplinary Science Reviews; Humanist
> www.mccarty.org.uk
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Date: 2022-11-09 08:39:38+00:00
From: Alan Liu <ayliu@english.ucsb.edu>
Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.247: why Humanist: sustainability
Dear Øyvind,
Thanks for your response about the strategy for consolidating the archives
of Humanist and depositing them in your university's data repository. I
wonder if it would also make sense to make a redundant deposit in
Zenodo--not only for redundancy, but also for a number of other purposes,
including enhanced discoverability (by becoming part of a larger open
science data repository) and all the extra features for deposit management
that Zenodo offers (e.g., DOIs for deposits, versioning with different
DOIs, cross-integration with GitHub for any codebase that might also be
deposited, etc..)
This actually raises general strategy issues that many of us in the DH
field (myself included) are not well versed in. What is best practice
operationally for all our DH outputs if we want our work to support the
principles of FAIR (findability, accessibility, interoperability,
reusability), openness, and sustainability of both codebase and data? In
regard to sustainability, for instance, it is entirely unclear to me what
the DH community's protocol should be in regard choosing one, some, or all
of the following options in combination or stages:
1. Deposit in a local institutional "TRUST" repository (see Dawei Lin,
et al., "The Trust Principles for digital repositories" (2020),
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-020-0486-7);
2. Deposit in a journal or publisher's Dataverse (or similar repository)
associated with the venue of publication;
3. Deposit codebase in GitHub for dissemination, but codebase also in a
TRUST repositor for sustainability;
4. Deposit in Zenodo, Dryad, Figshare, etc.
Presently, it seems that we all choose an option on an ad hoc basis with
little standardization.
--Best, Alan
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 10:45 PM Humanist <humanist@dhhumanist.org> wrote:
>
> Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 36, No. 247.
> Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne
> Hosted by DH-Cologne
> www.dhhumanist.org
> Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org
>
>
>
>
> Date: 2022-11-08 20:39:59+00:00
> From: Öyvind Eide <oeide@uni-koeln.de>
> Subject: Re: [Humanist] 36.243: why Humanist
>
> Dear Alan,
>
> thank your for your question, which nudges me to clarify the future of the
> Humanist data, which I should have done already some time ago. My
> apologies for
> the lateness of this.
>
> As you will know, we have a simple online archive for Humanist which
> includes
> the posts since the system went online in Cologne in 2021. Earlier posts
> are
> still made available by King's Digital Lab (KDL) at King's College London.
> We
> have also signed an agreement with KDL which will make a transfer of the
> entire
> Humanist archive to Cologne possible. This has two consequences:
>
> 1. The long term preservation of the data is secured through our Data
> Center for
> the Humanities: https://dch.phil-fak.uni-koeln.de
> based on the technical infrastructure of the the IT Center University of
> Cologne
> (previously RRzK), in addition to the long term preservation at KDL:
> https://kdl.kcl.ac.uk/our-work/archiving-sustainability/
> <https://kdl.kcl.ac.uk/our-work/archiving-sustainability/>
>
> 2. We will make a coherent search system for the whole of Humanist
> available,
> hopefully in 2023.
>
> All the best,
>
> Øyvind
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Øyvind Eide
> Institut für Digital Humanities — Historisch-Kulturwissenschaftliche
> Informationsverarbeitung
> Universität zu Köln
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> D-50931 Köln
>
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