Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 35, No. 389. Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne Hosted by DH-Cologne www.dhhumanist.org Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org Date: 2021-12-06 07:45:19+00:00 From: Willard McCarty <willard.mccarty@mccarty.org.uk> Subject: divergence Thanks to Tim Smithers for poking at my breezy statement about divergence of artificial from human intelligence. I agree that we cannot know what people have thought about anything, go/weiqi included. But we can know what scholars of the game, which is taken very seriously indeed in China, Korea, Japan and elsewhere, have written. I was replying on those who have studied the written record. I understand as well that those who know chess well say much the same about new techniques arising out of play with computers. Divergence was noted in the simplest terms from the beginning -- speed, accuracy and mnemonic capacity of earliest machines was repeatedly cited as the great difference. Negatively, we have the slander, which McCorduck reports on, that computers were called "fast morons", with the well known "garbage in, garbage out" variant; this points to an initial difference that the AI folks have been trying to get around ever since. Differences arising from how digital machines work in contrast to humans, the subject of von Neumann's last lecture, seem to me bound to emerge in the results. I'm very reluctant to say that "computers don't think", because I am not at all sure what thinking is; like 'intelligence', it seems to me a mug's game to define, to slice-and-dice the kinds. It seems to me much better to say, as McCorduck provoked, that whatever machines do, they do it differently. What matters, I 'think', is that we not try to deny or erase the differences, except for well-defined practical purposes, but devote ourselves to studying them. Comments? Yours, WM -- Willard McCarty, Professor emeritus, King's College London; Editor, Interdisciplinary Science Reviews; Humanist www.mccarty.org.uk _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe at: http://dhhumanist.org/Restricted List posts to: humanist@dhhumanist.org List info and archives at at: http://dhhumanist.org Listmember interface at: http://dhhumanist.org/Restricted/ Subscribe at: http://dhhumanist.org/membership_form.php