Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 35, No. 245. Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne Hosted by DH-Cologne www.dhhumanist.org Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org [1] From: Matt Huculak <huculak@uvic.ca> Subject: Re: Institutional Support for DH Websites? (123) [2] From: Gioele Barabucci <gioele.barabucci@ntnu.no> Subject: Re: [Humanist] 35.241: institutional support for DH websites? (62) --[1]------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 2021-09-16 16:36:17+00:00 From: Matt Huculak <huculak@uvic.ca> Subject: Re: Institutional Support for DH Websites? Hello, John, First, I’d like to recognize the very real problem you are facing, a problem faced by countless scholars around the world as DH grapples with issues of long- term preservation. I’d also like to acknowledge that your university library’s response is in-line with the limitations faced by libraries and archives in terms of infrastructure and human labour. Archives have been faced with an information glut even BEFORE the digital turn (see articles on MPLP, for example: https://www.archivists.org/prof-education/pre- readings/IMPLP/AA68.2.MeissnerGreene.pdf). In short, Libraries face a tremendous challenge: every DH project is unique and uses bespoke software stacks to house those projects (I see your umbrella project uses “Wordpress,” for example). The costs of maintaining, securing, updating sites like Wordpress (which will have numerous dependencies) that will be out of date in a matter of years (sometimes months) is an insurmountable challenge faced by the entire community. In short, it’s really easy to preserve paper and other material supports; however, very few scholars recognize the efforts and costs needed to preserve the digital (see Matthew Kirschenbaum for various discussions on this problem). The good news is that there are projects, like the Endings Project (full disclosure: I’m a part of this project), that are providing resources and toolkits for DH scholars in order to think about the long-term preservation of their work: https://endings.uvic.ca/. The site has a list of basic principles to ensure the longevity of DH work: https://endings.uvic.ca/principles.html. Unfortunately, in many cases, what Librarians and archives face is that they are approached at the END of DH projects rather than at the beginning when we could have had an impact on decisions for the long-term preservation and accessibility of DH work. A scholar will approach us and say, “here’s this massive software stack I built (usually without documentation): preserve it.” 9 times out of 10, we have to respond, this is beyond our current abilities. The Wordpress or Drupal site is a security ticking timebomb that no reasonable institution could take on. That’s not helpful for you now, but there are things you can do to help your librarians and archivists: staticize your site. Static HTML sites are remarkably resilient and have withstood the test of time. It’s not easy, but it is possible. Approaching your library and archive with a flat site that only requires a directory IS possible to preserve (see: https://endings.uvic.ca/principles.html). If I were working with you, I’d also recommend using an institutional Archive-it subscription to crawl your site for “preservation” in the archive-it system (but, your library is dependent on that service persisting for the long term). For other librarians and archivists, we are working on documentation for you, too. We face issues along the lines of, “what are we actually signing up for?” Who, actually, has the authority to “donate” a site to the library when DH projects rarely have a single contributor or lead over time. In short, who owns the material? If hundreds of students and scholars participated in the production of a DH project, did they sign over their intectual property for someone else to claim ownership over it? These are thorny issues that John Durno and Corey Davis at UVic Libraries are working on. With best wishes, M. J. Matthew Huculak, PhD, MLIS Head, Advanced Research Services University of Victoria Libraries (https://www.uvic.ca/library) T 250-472-4970 | orcid.org/0000-0002-2717-1112 Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 35, No. 241. Department of Digital Humanities, University of Cologne Hosted by DH-Cologne www.dhhumanist.org Submit to: humanist@dhhumanist.org<mailto:humanist@dhhumanist.org> Date: 2021-09-15 15:51:41+00:00 From: John Wall <jnwall@ncsu.edu<mailto:jnwall@ncsu.edu>> Subject: Institutional Support for DH Websites? I would like to know from folks on this list who are working on digital humanities projects that result in websites what sort of support they are getting from their institutional libraries for maintaining their websites once the projects are done. My university’s library says they will archive files created as part of the project and they will archive a snapshot of the websites, but they will not support keeping the websites live by housing them on their servers. This means that the websites for my project, which was supported by 2 NEH DH grants and represents over 15 years of work by a team of nearly a hundred people, now live on because my department head is willing to pay rent for them on a university server. But she tells me she will retire in a couple of years and that she cannot guarantee that her successor will continue to be supportive. So all that work may cease to be available in two years. This seems to me to represent a refusal on our library’s part to meet one of their basic missions, which is the acquisition, conservation, and dissemination of knowledge. They spend millions of dollars building large buildings to house books, installing shelves to store them and air quality systems to preserve them, and creating systems for retrieving and making them available to users. But they are not willing to develop systems to maintain websites. I would like to know what experiences you folks are having in this area. If you are curious, all our work is now available through this umbrella site: https://virtualdonne.chass.ncsu.edu/ JNW -- *John N. Wall* Professor of English Literature NC State University Principal Investigator for The Virtual St Paul's Cathedral Project https://vpcathedral.chass.ncsu.edu/ The Virtual Paul's Cross Project https://vpcross.chass.ncsu.edu/ --[2]------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 2021-09-16 07:56:48+00:00 From: Gioele Barabucci <gioele.barabucci@ntnu.no> Subject: Re: [Humanist] 35.241: institutional support for DH websites? On 16/09/21 07:25, Humanist wrote: > My university’s library says they will archive files created as part of the > project and they will archive a snapshot of the websites, but they will not > support keeping the websites live by housing them on their servers. Dear John, in your very specific case (a set of WordPress sites with no particular back-end functionality), taking a snapshot of the pages, shutting down the current WordPress instances, and serving the static pages via a shared server is a valid and proven solution for long-time preservation. As long as the pages get served at their original URLs, the users will never notice any difference, except the non-working search functionality (but that can be replaced by carefully integrating a public search engine). The marginal cost of hosting a set of static pages is pretty much zero and it would be easy for an institution to promise to keep them available for the foreseeable future ("forever"). The real problem is maintaining for an indefinite period of time Web sites that are generated by some bespoke back-end application (this does not appear to be the case of Virtual Donne). In that case the parading changes. You are no longer asking the institution to "store fossils" but to "maintain a pet". Storing fossils (preserving and publishing static pages) is easy: you set up a humidity-controlled chamber and make it big enough. In this way you can easily store millions of fossils. To the librarians they all look more or less the same and none of them need special care. If you get another donation of fossils you just store near the others. Maintaining such a system requires some space but not a lot of personnel. Maintaining a pet (preserving a set of back-end applications that produces Web pages on the fly) is a much onerous task. Each pet is different (different software, different libraries, different languages, different OSs) and they must be fed often (security updates, hardware migrations, incompatibility in newer releases of programming languages). To an institution like a library, maintaining such a living organism is probably 1) outside their mission (but that could be changed) and 2) incompatible with their budget (pretty much every new inherited project would require new hires, new permanent positions with new competences). When I discuss these topics with researchers who are starting a project, I always suggest a compromise, an hybrid approach: set everything up so that you can provide many advanced functionalities during the active lifetime of the project, but be prepared to switch into "archival mode" once the project is over. In archival mode all *content* should still be accessible, but some *functionalities* (e.g. search) will be lost. It seems to me that the project Virtual Donne has been set up in such a way, so moving from hosting a WordPress installation to a hosting static Web pages should not affect the users of the project. (As long as the library correctly manages the technicalities of the transition.) Regards, -- Prof. Dr. Gioele Barabucci (gioele.barabucci@ntnu.no) Associate Professor of Computer Science NTNU — Norwegian University of Science and Technology _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe at: http://dhhumanist.org/Restricted List posts to: humanist@dhhumanist.org List info and archives at at: http://dhhumanist.org Listmember interface at: http://dhhumanist.org/Restricted/ Subscribe at: http://dhhumanist.org/membership_form.php