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                   Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 14, No. 341.
           Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
       [1]   From:    Arun-Kumar Tripathi <tripathi@statistik.uni-        (48)
             Subject: Academe: Technology its Problems & Promises
       [2]   From:    "Price, Dan" <dprice@tui.edu>                       (23)
             Subject: Quotation from Chomsky and Comment
       [3]   From:    Randall Pierce <rpierce@jsucc.jsu.edu>              (14)
             Subject: Noam Chomsky
             Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:03:20 +0100
             From: Arun-Kumar Tripathi <tripathi@statistik.uni-dortmund.de>
             Subject: Academe: Technology its Problems & Promises
    Dear Humanists,
    In the September-October 1999 issue of Academe, Vol. 85 and No.5, *Education
    Bytes: The Problems and Promises of Technology* -- The  Editor of Academe:
    Education Bytes, Prof. Ellen Schrecker mentioned in the Editorial note..
    "My conversion to virtual education occurred last spring, when I walked
    into my classroom and found my students arguing ferociously-about the
    assigned reading. I had set up an electronic Listserv, posted a question
    about World War I, and encouraged the students to discuss it online. Once
    they got to class, the debate intensified. Whatever lingering doubts I had
    about the educational benefits of technology, that afternoon's experience
    mostly dispelled them".
    Now, my point of views are that -- The new technologies raise serious
    structural, pedagogical, and legal issues that, because of the speed at
    which higher education is turning virtual, faculty members can no longer
    As..Wendy Maloney has written in her article "Brick and Mortar Campuses Go
    Online" at <http://www.aaup.org/SO99Malo.htm> She wrote, "...Online
    education programs are in their infancy at regular colleges and
    universities. The nontraditional student they serve are satisfied and
    despite about cheating and intellectual property, so are most professors
    who teach online"..
    Also, Prof. Feenberg has written about Technology can enhance the
    curriculum..and profits over pedagogy in his article on "No Frills in the
    Virtual Classroom" which can be available at
    One can also find..the following article such as *The Distance Education*
    --Utopianism pervades most thinking about online education. by Prof.
    Philip Agre ..but the article of Prof. Agre can be found at
    <http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/academe.html> and
    on *Technology's Grand Challenges* --Revolution is in making..by Prof.
    Stephen Ehrmann..one can read the draft of this article *Technology in
    Higher Learning: A Third Revolution* at
    <http://www.tltgroup.org/resources/dthirdrev.html> or *Grand Challenges
    Raised by Technology: Will This Revolution Be a Good One?* at
    Technology will enhance the teaching and learning style -if properly used.
    As Stephen Ehrmann and Andrew Feenberg explain in their article.
    Technology may also change scholarly communications.
    --now, some points to be given second thoughts--
    Will technology make classrooms, libraries, and books obsolete? If
    technology does revolutionize the university, how can we make sure that it
    doesn't exacerbate the growing gap between higher education's haves and
    Also, one can find the other papers with the printed version of the
    Academe Journal..
    Full reading at <http://www.aaup.org/acahome.htm>
    Kind Regards
    Arun Tripathi
             Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:04:04 +0100
             From: "Price, Dan" <dprice@tui.edu>
             Subject: Quotation from Chomsky and Comment
    Just read the posting from Francois with the quotation from Chomsky, who is
    quoted  as saying:
    I suspect that extending   > that form of abstract and remote relationship,
    instead of direct, personal
        > contact, is going to have unpleasant effects on what people are like. I
            will diminish their humanity. I think.
    Personally I am confused here.  No one that I know of is saying that ALL of
    our communication has to be done by the Computer Mediated
    Communication.  Indeed, a surprising portion of our daily contact is still
    with face to face situations-family, professional interchange, daily life
    tasks.  By contrast, I find that the availability of contact and
    interchange with colleagues around the world in forums such as this is most
    supportive, broadening and stimulating.
    Seems like we need some perspective here.
    Dan Price, Ph.D.
    Professor,  Center for Distance Learning
    The Union Institute             (800)  486  3116 ext.1222
    440 E McMillan St.              (513)  861  6400 ext.1222
    Cincinnati  OH  45206                   FAX   513  861  9026
             Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:04:40 +0100
             From: Randall Pierce <rpierce@jsucc.jsu.edu>
             Subject: Noam Chomsky
    Professor Chomsky's thoughts are well-taken. I have often been disturbed
    by the societal isolation encouraged by electronic information
    technology. I am not as alarmed as some psychologists who feel that the
    internet could be the influence which causes our traditional societal
    forms to disentegrate, but it can encourage those who do not feel that
    they "fit in". It does, however, encourage those who find any sort of
    human interaction threatening. They can feel safer communicating
    electronically, whereas human contact would send them back into
    isolation. I am acquainted with the disability community in some areas,
    and I know that electronic information technology has been a boon for
    many. Not only in education, where distance learning has made it
    possible for so many home-bound to be part of our vital intellectual
    community for the first time, but in terms of making a living. So many
    without the ability to leave their   can support themselves and
    contribute so richly to the tapestry of emerging knowledge. Randall

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