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Humanist Discussion Group (humanist@kcl.ac.uk)
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Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 11, No. 453.
Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
<http://www.princeton.edu/~mccarty/humanist/>
<http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/>

[1] From: David Green <david@ninch.org> (191)
Subject: Licensing Workshop; NFAIS "Rights & Responsibilities"

[2] From: David Green <david@ninch.org> (78)
Subject: Getty Trust--World Bank Partnership

[3] From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@parallel.park.uga.edu> (241)
Subject: December 10th Project Gutenberg Newsletter

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:20:40 -0500
From: David Green <david@ninch.org>
Subject: Licensing Workshop; NFAIS "Rights & Responsibilities"

NINCH ANNOUNCEMENT
December 9, 1997

Two separate copyright announcements:

1. A White Paper from the National Federation of Abstracting & Information
Services on "The Rights & Responsibilities of Content Creators, Providors
and Users."
This association of database producers has drafted this white paper not in
specific reaction to the European Database Directive but in the context of
that directive and current US copyright and database protection
legislation.

Comments are invited.

2. A UK Workshop on Digital Licensing Models between Libraries & Publishers.

This, interestingly, cites a model licence between UK Universities and
Publishers recently proposed by a Joint Information Systems
Committee/Publishers Association (JISC/PA) working group as well as a
report on copyright clearance and
digitisation in UK Higher Education for a JISC/PA Working Party on
Clearance Mechanisms. See <http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/services/elib/papers/pa/>
for information on these JISC/PA Working Group papers and reports.

David Green

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1. THE RIGHTS & RESPONSIBILITIES OF CONTENT CREATORS, PROVIDERS, AND USERS
National Federation of Abstracting & Information Services
A White Paper
December 9, 1997
<http://www.pa.utulsa.edu/nfais/whitepaper.html>

Introduction

Though the electronic dissemination of scholarly information -- encouraged
by rapidly developing networking technology -- offers great promise, it has
also created a great challenge for authors, publishers, and users of
scientific, technical, medical and other research-based information. The
difficulties are demonstrated by recent, and often abortive, efforts of
legislative bodies, international agencies, and various groups to agree to
a set of rules that should govern the use and reuse of scholarly
information in an electronic environment.

Most groups today agree that the challenge is inherently one of balancing
the rights of those who have invested in making scholarly content available
in a useful form with the rights of those who need to make use of the
content. It is only by resolving the conflicts that have arisen between
creators and users that we will be able to, as a society, develop sound
rules for electronic information use and reuse.

The National Federation of Abstracting & Information Services (NFAIS) is an
organization of approximately 60 of the world's leading producers of both
printed reference works and databases of electronic information in the
sciences and the arts. NFAIS has been involved in the electronic
distribution of information since the deployment of mainframe commercial
computers in the 1960s. NFAIS continuously monitors worldwide technological
developments that could have an impact on authors, publishers,
distributors, and users of information, and therefore has taken a great
interest in the recent debates, proposed legislation, treaty talks, and
other initiatives regarding the development of a legal infrastructure that
supports the exchange of electronic information.

We as database producers maintain that: databases require large investments
of time, money, and intellectual effort to produce and keep updated; they
are increasingly vulnerable to copying; existing law is inadequate to
protect them; and legislation can be crafted so as to provide legal
protection without harming legitimate interests of users.

This White Paper was developed over a three-year period by the NFAIS
Information Policy & Copyright Committee (Bonnie Lawlor and Jim Walsh,
Co-Chairs) and Dick Kaser, NFAIS Executive Director. It was approved for
distribution by the NFAIS Board of Directors in November 1997. Readers are
encouraged to freely distribute copies of this White Paper to others.

NFAIS agrees with the findings of the U.S. Copyright Office in August 1997,
that the basic principles are these

* Databases are vulnerable to copying, and adequate incentives are needed
to ensure their continued creation;

* Individual facts should not be subject to private ownership;

* Anyone should be free to obtain facts independently from original
sources, even after they have been incorporated into a database;

* U.S. government databases should not be protected;

* It is important not to harm science, research, education, and news
reporting;

* "Free riding" in the form of substantial copying for commercial,
competitive purposes should not be permitted.

We are aware that there is a debate among various segments of the
community. Therefore, in the spirit of promoting the development of a
consensus on the issues related to electronic commerce and scholarly
research, NFAIS offers this white paper on the subject of the rights and
responsibilities of information creators, information providers, and
information users, in general. It is our suggestion that these basic rights
and responsibilities transcend the medium of expression or transmission and
apply equally to traditional media as well as new electronic channels.

It is our hope that by calling to public attention these basic issues that
affect the use and reuse of information in general that we might be able to
reach consensus on the larger issues that affect electronic information use
and reuse in particular.

For this reason, we invite open debate and public comment on this document.

See <http://www.pa.utulsa.edu/nfais/whitepaper.html> for Rights &
Responsibilities of Authors,Publishers, Distributors and Users

Please send your comments to:

The National Federation of Abstracting & Information Services (NFAIS)
1518 Walnut St., Suite 307
Philadelphia, PA 19102 U.S.A.
: 215/893-1564
Phone: 215/893-1561
e-mail: nfais@nfais.org

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2. The OPEN UNIVERSITY Library, Project Edbank - part of the eLib
programme and
the OU Rights Department in association with SCONUL prsent:

NEGOTIATING ELECTRONIC COPYRIGHT PERMISSIONS:
exploring the issues and considering the alternatives

Tuesday January 20th 1998
Walton Hall, Milton Keynes, UK
Price: 80.00 to include lunch and refreshments

The objectives for this day are to:
* identify the issues for institutions seeking to create electronic
resources in the context of the legislative environment and organisational
needs
* examine alternative approaches with case studies from other industries/sectors
* highlight the importance of developing an institutional process for
licence negotiation, administration and review
* foster an understanding of copyright as a working tool involving
commercial transactions
* engage participants in a review of licence terms and conditions

Intended audience:
* policy makers at institutions reviewing the implications of the
electronic library
* librarians and other institutional staff engaged in the process of
negotiating copyright permissions for electronic resources

Numbers will be limited

BACKGROUND TO THE DAY

The advent of the electronic library and an increasing demand for
services delivered to the "desktop" has been accompanied by a need to
approach publishers and other rights owners for permission to create
electronic resources. This applies equally to journal contents pages
(for current awareness), whole journal articles, images, illustrative
materials, books and book chapters, newspaper articles and out of print
materials.

Publishers are trying to meet these new demands from libraries while
maintaining the financial viability of their activities for the future.

The model licence between UK Universities and Publishers recently
proposed by a JISC/PA Working Party is an attempt to improve mutual
understanding of copyright issues and produce workable solutions to
satisfy both publishers and university requirements.

Bide, Oppenheim and Ramsden have reported on copyright clearance and
digitisation in UK Higher Education for a JISC/PA Working Party on
Clearance Mechanisms. They concluded that the issue of pricing for
digital use "can only benefit from further open discussions.... and that
mutually acceptable models of pricing should not be beyond us."

Even more recently, the Dutch scientific librarians together with a
large number of German university libraries have decided to take a joint
stand in their negotiations with publishers.

PROGRAMME

10.00 - 10.15 Coffee and registration

10.15 - 10.30 Welcome and introduction
Charles Oppenheim, International Institute for Electronic Library
Research

10.30 - 11.00 Considerations in rights licensing
Richard McCracken, OU Rights Department

11.00 - 11.30 Licensing Principles Adopted by Dutch and German Libraries
Hans Geleijnse, Librarian, Tilburg University

11.30 - 11.45 Discussion

11.45 - 12.45 Workshop 1: Terms for the licence

12.45 - 1.30 Lunch

1.30 - 2.00 Report back from rapporteurs

2.00 - 3.00 Alternative Licensing Models
Gavin Robertson, New Technologies Schemes Manager, MCPS
Kevin Stewart, Senior Contracts Manager, Hodder Headline (to be
confirmed)

3.00 - 3.15 Discussion

3.15 - 3.30 Tea

3.30 - 4.15 Workshop 2: Negotiation/Terms for the licence contd

4.15 - 4.30 Round up and conclusions

4.30 Workshop close

REGISTRATION
Including lunch and all refreshments
Stlg 80.00

FURTHER INFORMATION

Please contact:
Mary Hunt
Jennie Lee Library
The Open University
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA

Tel: 01908 652672
Fax: 01908 653571
Email: m.e.hunt@open.ac.uk

BOOKING FORM

Negotiating Electronic Copyright Permissions
Milton Keynes, Tuesday January 20th 1998

Surname: ......................................(Dr/Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms)
First name: .....................................
Name for delegate badge:
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:00:33 -0500
From: David Green <david@ninch.org>
Subject: Getty Trust--World Bank Partnership

NINCH ANNOUNCEMENT
December 9, 1997

An intriguing and powerful alliance was recently announced by the Getty
Trust and the World Bank to work together to "support access to,
conservation of,
and education about cultural heritage." It is perhaps especially
interesting in the link seen between the protection and promotion of
cultural heritage and the building of sustainable economic development.

This relationship had been initiated earlier in specific projects and new
projects will be announced. Stay tuned via the Getty Information
Institute's impressively re-designed Website <www.gii.getty.edu> as well as
this space.

David Green

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November 4, 1997
Contact:
Sylvia Sukop, J. Paul Getty Trust
(310) 440-6474
David Theis, World Bank
(202) 473-1955

WORLD BANK AND GETTY TRUST
PARTNER TO SUSTAIN CULTURAL HERITAGE
Organizations Sign Operational Partnership
Agreement at the Getty Center

Los Angeles, Calif./Washington, D.C. -- The World Bank and the J. Paul
Getty Trust today agreed to an operational partnership to sustain cultural
heritage in developing countries--to support access to, conservation of,
and education about cultural heritage.

The agreement was co-signed November 4, 1997 at the Getty Center in Los Angeles
by James D. Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank, and Harold M.
Williams, President and CEO of the J. Paul Getty Trust. It reflects a
growing focus by the Bank in the cultural field and increasing efforts
with a number of institutions to integrate cultural heritage as a force in
promoting sustainable development; for the Getty, it continues a
longstanding commitment to forging broad alliances on a global scale--in
conservation, education, scholarship, information technology, and
museology.

"In every country I have visited," said World Bank President Wolfensohn,
"I have seen the importance of a sense of history and a link to the past.
For real development to occur, it should be grounded in the culture of the
people--drawing strength from their history. I am proud that the Bank and
the Getty can help people preserve and pass on their heritage."

"We have always worked in close collaboration with other organizations
around the world," said Getty Trust President Williams. "Now, by
combining the experience and resources of our two organizations, the
Getty-World Bank partnership will generate needed attention and support
for some of the most important cultural heritage sites that are at risk."

The Bank and the Getty Trust will strengthen their activities related to
cultural heritage by working together to:

* Identify specific operations and projects where the Bank and the
Getty can collaborate to protect and sustain cultural heritage--the Getty,
for example, providing expertise to Bank-assisted projects;

* Jointly undertake pilot projects in cultural heritage and develop a
research and evaluation agenda to assess the performance of these
projects;

* Develop the Bank's knowledge of current international standards
of conservation and documentation practices and identify potential
applications of Getty expertise;

* Mobilize financial and institutional resources for these objectives.

In addition to these actions, the World Bank and Getty Trust will engage
in staff exchanges to increase awareness of the methods, resources,
and operational practices of the partner organization.

The relationship between the World Bank and the Getty Trust is not
entirely new. Prior to 1997, the organizations had already engaged in
two cultural heritage projects, one in Djenne, Mali, and another in St.
Petersburg, Russia. The Getty Conservation Institute assisted in the
design of the preservation strategy and project implementation for a new
$55.5 million urban development project in Mali. Approved by the Bank's
board in December, 1996, the project includes a $12.1 million component
to preserve cultural sites in the towns of Djenne and Timbuktu. It
provides infrastructure, technical assistance, and training to 10 local
governments, and preservation of historic sites covering a five-year
investment program.

Other initiatives now underway, such as the Buenos Aires Exhibition and
Project Partnership, and an ambitious, five-country Mundo Maya project,
led to today's agreement on a formal partnership between the Bank and
the Getty with a commitment to cultural heritage and sustainable
development and a clear vision of the vital role both play for present and
future generations.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:49:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "David L. Gants" <dgants@parallel.park.uga.edu>
Subject: December 10th Project Gutenberg Newsletter

>> From: "Michael S. Hart" <hart@prairienet.org>

***The Project Gutenberg Newsletter for December 10, 1997**

Some of you may receive this a day later due to shifts in a
major listserver of ours, details are appended below.

CONTENTS:

Shakespeare
Portuguese Etext Team
Yahoo! Internet Life Magazine Site of the Month

For December:

A new release of The Complete Works of William Shakespeare;
which brings us to Etext #1137. This brings us to 10 times
as many files as we had available just 4 years ago today.

As you may be aware, December 10th has been important to us
in the past, as we posted our 100th Etext on December 10th,
1993--just four years ago. As promised, we are releasing a
version of this as independent files, so you no longer have
to download the Complete Works of Shakespeare to get any of
the particular plays or poems you may wish to use.

We need Shakespeare volunteers to scan or type and proof
Two Noble Kinsmen and Cardenio, dubious Shakespeare texts.
Please contact: Dianne Bean <beandp@primenet.com>.

*

Please put us on your holiday gift list. . .last year about
this time was the first month we ever received more than we
spent on running Project Gutenberg; details appended below.
It would be nice if we could manage this for two months for
1998, and we will hopefully continue to gain publicity from
the major media that will encourage volunteers & donations.

*

We need xeroxes of the title page [both sides] of the Oxford
Book of English Verse [pre-1923 edition].

*

Would those interested in Edgar Allen Poe let me know. The
files are mostly ready for final proofreading.

*

In general, those of you who have worried about sending big
amounts of email or snail mail, or being too demanding on a
few of us, now is the time to send in xeroxes, questions or
some other items you were worried might take too much time,
effort, etc., on the parts of our volunteers or myself. The
holidays are traditionally a period when we do huge amounts
of work, and the computers are very fast because others are
off on vacations.

We are also working on a new high bandwidth listserver: we
have crashed the prairienet listserver several times. This
is often because people do not notify the listservers of an
email address change, and the number of error messages that
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Our Portuguese Team is forming up, and anyone interested in
doing Etexts or sites in Portuguese or in translation is an
extremely welcome addition. Please contact Lucia Segovia:
<lsegovia@mail.telepac.pt> about Etexts in Portuguese: and
Marco Campos <mcampos@esoterica.pt> about forming sites.

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"Yahoo Internet Life" magazine has chosen Project Gutenberg
as their "Site of the Month" for January, 1998, in an issue
dedicated to the "Top of the Net." This issue should reach
the newsstands this week and my advance copy is interesting
in the extreme. I would suggest taking a look at the whole
thing, and possibly at our article with is the middle at pp
68-69. Somehow I think our press is getting better, and it
may yet help us keep afloat.

"In the galaxy of Website awards we offer our five stars
just 12 times a year. Here's this month's in-depth look
at a Web site or service that is truly distinctive. . ."

Also:

As of today, TopTenLinks ranked your web site as one of the
top ten web sites on the Internet! Your ranking can be found
at TopTenLinks located at: www.toptenlinks.com

*

I have returned from my month of hobnobbing, with my fellow
wizards on the West Coast and have made numbers of contacts
that should someday provide some help in nearly all areas I
think we need help: financial, incorporation, more Etexts,
and more computers and scanners. I will be following up on
these contacts in the year[s] to come, and hopefully make a
variety of new contacts each November to come. If you have
suggestions for areas I did not include above please let me
know. Oh, I also made a public relations contact that I am
hoping will get us more publicity.

*

Now, here are the 32 November Etexts, and 17 from December--
we promised that as soon as we had 1,000 Etexts we would put
out individual editions of the Shakespeare works that we had
posted as a single large file as our 100th Etext, four years
ago this very week, and dedicated to my father, who died the
10th of December, 1989, after helping me take one of the big
steps towards getting Project Gutenberg out of this basement
and into a more worldwide mode of circulation. Thanks Dad!!

Mon Year Title and Author [# of PG books by the author][filename.ext]####
A "C" following the Etext number indicates a copyrighted work.

Dec 1997 A Lover's Complaint, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws44xx.xxx]1137

Dec 1997 King Henry VIII, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws42xx.xxx]1136
Dec 1997 Tempest, by William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws41xx.xxx]1135
Dec 1997 The Winter's Tale, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws40xx.xxx]1134
Dec 1997 Cymbeline, by William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws39xx.xxx]1133

Dec 1997 The Life of Timon of Athens, by Wm Shakespeare [WL][1ws37xx.xxx]1132
Dec 1997 The Tragedy of Coriolanus, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws36xx.xxx]1131
Dec 1997 Antony and Cleopatra, by William Shakespeare [WL][1ws35xx.xxx]1130
Dec 1997 Macbeth, by William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws34xx.xxx]1129

Dec 1997 King Lear, by William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws32xx.xxx]1128
Dec 1997 Othello, The Moor of Venice, by Shakespeare [WL][1ws32xx.xxx]1127
Dec 1997 Measure for Measure, by William Shakespeare [WL][1ws31xx.xxx]1126
Dec 1997 All's Well that End's Well, William Shakespeare[WL][1ws30xx.xxx]1125

Dec 1997 History of Troilus and Cressida, by Shakespeare[WL][1ws29xx.xxx]1124
Dec 1997 Twelfth Night; or What You Will, by Shakespeare[WL][1ws28xx.xxx]1123
Dec 1997 Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, by Wm Shakespeare [WL][1ws26xx.xxx]1122
Dec 1997 As You Like It, William Shakespeare [World Library][1ws25xx.xxx]1121

Nov 1997 Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare[World Library][1ws24xx.xxx]1120
Nov 1997 King Henry V, William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws23xx.xxx]1119
Nov 1997 Much Ado about Nothing, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws22xx.xxx]1118
Nov 1997 King Henry IV, Part 2, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws21xx.xxx]1117

Nov 1997 The Merry Wives of Windsor, William Shakespeare[WL][1ws20xx.xxx]1116
Nov 1997 King Henry IV Part 1, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws19xx.xxx]1115
Nov 1997 The Merchant of Venice, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws18xx.xxx]1114
Nov 1997 A Midsummer Night's Dream, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws17xx.xxx]1113

Nov 1997 Romeo and Juliet, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws16xx.xxx]1112
Nov 1997 King Richard II, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws15xx.xxx]1111
Nov 1997 King John, by William Shakespeare [World Library] [1ws14xx.xxx]1110
Nov 1997 Love's Labour's Lost, by William Shakespeare [WL][1ws12xx.xxx]1109

Nov 1997 Two Gentlemen of Verona, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws11xx.xxx]1108
Nov 1997 The Taming of the Shrew, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws10xx.xxx]1107
Nov 1997 Titus Andronicus, by William Shakespeare [WL][1ws09xx.xxx]1106
Nov 1997 The Shakespearian Sonnets, William Shakespeare [WL][1ws07xx.xxx]1105

Nov 1997 The Comedy of Errors, William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws06xx.xxx]1104
Nov 1997 King Richard III, by William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws04xx.xxx]1103
Nov 1997 King Henry VI, Part 3, William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws03xx.xxx]1102
Nov 1997 King Henry VI, Part 2, William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws02xx.xxx]1101

Nov 1997 King Henry VI, Part 1, William Shakespeare [WL] [1ws01xx.xxx]1100
Nov 1997 The Riverman, by Stewart Edward White [rvrmnxx.xxx]1099
Nov 1997 The Turmoil, A novel, by Booth Tarkington [BT#5] [turmoxx.xxx]1098
Nov 1997 Mrs. Warren's Profession, by G. B. Shaw [Shaw #4] [wrproxx.xxx]1097
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Nov 1997 The Story of Jees Uck, by Jack London [London #34] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 Batard, by Jack London [Jack London's Etext #33] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 The Marriage of Lit-lit, by Jack London[London #32][fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 The One Thousand Dozen, by Jack London [London #31][fthmnxx.xxx]1096

Nov 1997 Too Much Gold, by Jack London [London #30] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 The Faith of Men, by Jack London [London #29] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 A Hyperborean Brew, by Jack London [London #28] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 A Relic of the Pliocene, by Jack London[London #27][fthmnxx.xxx]1096
*
Not sure how we are going to index a collection and member of the collection,
when both have the same name. Suggestions?
*
Nov 1997 The Faith of Men, by Jack London [London #27-34] [fthmnxx.xxx]1096
Nov 1997 Light of the Western Stars, Zane Grey[Zane Grey #4][lwstrxx.xxx]1095
Nov 1997 Tamburlaine the Great PT 1, by Christopher Marlowe [tmbn1xx.xxx]1094
Nov 1997 The Beast in the Jungle, by Henry James [James #15][bstjgxx.xxx]1093

Nov 1997 The Description of Wales, by Geraldus Cambrensis [dscwlxxx.xxx]1092
Nov 1997 Heroes and Hero Worship, by Thomas Carlyle [TC#3] [herosxxx.xxx]1091
Nov 1997 Bickerstaff-Partridge Papers by Jonathan Swift[#4][bstafxxx.xxx]1090
Nov 1997 Moon-Face and Other Stories by Jack London[#19-26][mfacexxx.xxx]1089

Nov 1997 Planchette, by Jack London [#26] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 All Gold Canyon, by Jack London [#25] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 The Shadow and the Flash, by Jack London [#24] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 The Minions of Midas, by Jack London [#23] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 Amateur Night, by Jack London [#22] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 Local Color, by Jack London [#21] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 The Leopard Man's Story, by Jack London [#20] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089
Nov 1997 Moon-Face, by Jack London [Jack London #19] [mfacexxx.xxx]1089

Here is a request for help from Donald Knuth. [Yes, THE Donald Knuth]

Mies van der Rohe was famous for saying "God is in the details";
for example, his obituary in the New York Herald Tribune (1969)
mentioned this. So I tried to find it in his writings; no luck.
[It is of course a wonderfully apropos motto for computer scientists.]

I talked to some architects, and got the following lead, supposedly
quoted from a biography of Mies by Franz Schulze (U Chicago Press, 1985),
footnote on page 281, although Stanford's library doesn't have that book:

More details on request.

*

>From one of our volunteers searching various libraries for public domain
materials for Project Gutenberg--[Please note that we can only use books
published before 1923. . .due to the U.S. copyright laws. . .but that we
will be posting books in other countries that will be produced there, of
later dates, but which are public domain in those countries.]

"Had a real shocker today, although I imagine it's no surprise to you. I
spent a few hours digging, only to find that the General Circulation
Section of the Main Branch of the New York Public Library has no public
domain books!! The closest I came was one 1924 edition of the oeuvres
of some obscure Frenchman - en francais. Just out of curiosity, I
checked some of the reference section as well, w/ the same result."

We would like to find out where the pre-1924 editions are being kept.

Thanks so much for any information you can provide. hart@pobox.com

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