6.0031 Rs: SQL; E-Lists; Quote Source; Keyboard Help (4/185)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Fri, 22 May 1992 17:25:09 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 6, No. 0031. Friday, 22 May 1992.

(1) Date: Fri, 22 May 92 12:27:36 BST (42 lines)
From: Richard Giordano <rich@cs.man.ac.uk>
Subject: SQL

(2) Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 19:46:30 -0400 (112 lines)
From: W Schipper <schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Theology E-lists

(3) Date: Fri, 22 May 92 11:34 BST (9 lines)
From: Don Fowler <DPF@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK>
Subject: RE: 6.0029 Non-E-Qs: Quote Source

(4) Date: 22 May 92 08:30:03 EDT (22 lines)
From: Otmar.K.E.Foelsche@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0027 E-Qs: Keyboard

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Date: Fri, 22 May 92 12:27:36 BST
From: Richard Giordano <rich@cs.man.ac.uk>
Subject: SQL

Just a point of clarification to Brian Whittaker's explanation of the
Structured Query Language. SQL is *not* a database program, as Brian
indicates and which I take to mean a database management system (DBMS),
but a high-level application provided by the DBMS that allows users to
access physical records stored on hardware.

Brian Whittaker is correct when he says that SQL retrieves records, but it
does far more than this. Not to put too fine a point on things, though we
use the verb 'query' (which to many imply 'retrieve' only), query
languages typically provide UPDATE, INSERT, DELETE, JOIN and other database
operations, as well.

I wouldn't say that SQL is native to the IBM environment, though at one time
this was true. SQL (which I think was first called SEQUEL) was
defined at the IBM Research Laboratory in San Jose in the late 1970s (I
think the first paper was published by Chamberlain in 1976, but I might be
wrong), prototyped under the name System R, and then incorporated in a
number of IBM products, includung DB2, SQL/DS and QMF. Today, the majority
of database systems are relational. In fact, a significant number of those
systems are not only relational, they are SQL systems specifically; that is,
they support some dialect of the relational language. Thus, you'll find SQL
dialects on a range of products, including INGRES and Oracle, operating on a
variety of hardware, and under different operating systems. The American
National Standards Database Committee has proposed a standard relational
database language that is closely based on IBM SQL, so you should be able to
find a standard SQL variant as part of any DBMS.

Despite all this, there is some debate over the future of SQL, particularly
as more applications are developed for truly distributed and object-oriented
databases. I'm not sure if it matters to humanists what kind of query
langauge is used. What is most importnt, in my view, is how text (or data)
is marked up. In this regard, SGML (particularly the TEI recommendations)
really should be the paramount concern of humanists, rather than this or
that DBMS or query language.

Rich Giordano
Computer Science
University of Manchester
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 19:46:30 -0400
From: W Schipper <schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Theology E-lists

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likely others.

Bill Schipper, English, Memorial University


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Date: Fri, 22 May 92 11:34 BST
From: Don Fowler <DPF@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK>
Subject: RE: 6.0029 Non-E-Qs: Quote Source; Vocational Ed Research (2/40)

Marc Bizer's quotation is a version of Ovid Tristia 3.4.25
"crede mihi, bene qui latuit bene vixit", which is a free translation of the
Epicurean Greek maxim "lathe biosas", "live unknown". Further testimonia can
be found in H. Usener Epicurea (Stuttgart 1887) fr. 551 p. 327.
Don Fowler
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Date: 22 May 92 08:30:03 EDT
From: Otmar.K.E.Foelsche@Dartmouth.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0027 E-Qs: Dictionary; Lists and Nets; Keyboard (4/68)

Re: macintosh keyboard

Your standard Macinstosh keyboard can be changed easily to many other
languages by using the keyboard resources and, for systems below 6.08,
Dartmouth's Alternate Keyboards, and, for systems 7.0 and up, by using the
keyboard resources and the system extension"keyboard menu"

With keyboard menu you can switch from a transliteratered Cyrillic keyboard
to a German or any other keyboard by simply selecting from a menu on the
upper right part of the menubar.

Alternate Keyboards is available from Dartmouth. Contact
Nancy.Davies@dartmouth.edu. Keyboard Menu is available through teh usual
public domain sources. Keyboard resources are on the developer disks.

Otmar Foelsche, Dartmouth College